Fix the damn subject line and apologize if you want to continue this conversation.
On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:45 AM Keith Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 7/19/19 12:26 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:
On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 7:09 PM Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 7/16/19 2:39 PM, Doug Royer wrote:
> You can not achieve your goal when you quit. How important are your
> goals to you?
It seems to me that driving away people with energy and
ideas because they're not willing to deal with the tone of
discussions here (and let's be clear: there are no longer
very many organizations in which abusive language or behavior
is tolerated) and leave, either to focus on implementation
or to take their work to another body, the IETF is the loser,
not the person who left. I worry about several factors
degrading the quality of our output and this is certainly one
of them.
It is probably worthwhile recalling that the Web was originally standardized in IETF. Most of it has left IETF because of the culture issue. Cross area review sounds like a great idea until you end up with people insisting on adding prefixes to distinguish URNs from URLs in the mistaken belief that they are disjoint categories and refusing to accept they are not.Wow. That's perhaps the biggest distortion I've ever seen in IETF.
URNs were, by design, disjoint from URLs because URLs did not have the properties desired. You may disagree with the design decision, as did at least a few others. And, sadly, some of those people have managed to destroy most of the utility of URNs. But that feature of URLs was an explicit design decision, and efforts by people to sabotage them do nothing to change that.
Keith
