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On 7/19/19 12:26 PM, Phillip
Hallam-Baker wrote:
On 7/16/19 2:39 PM, Doug
Royer wrote:
> You can not achieve your goal when you quit. How
important are your
> goals to you?
It seems to me that driving away people with energy and
ideas because they're not willing to deal with the tone of
discussions here (and let's be clear: there are no longer
very many organizations in which abusive language or
behavior
is tolerated) and leave, either to focus on implementation
or to take their work to another body, the IETF is the
loser,
not the person who left. I worry about several factors
degrading the quality of our output and this is certainly
one
of them.
It is
probably worthwhile recalling that the Web was originally
standardized in IETF. Most of it has left IETF because of
the culture issue. Cross area review sounds like a great
idea until you end up with people insisting on adding
prefixes to distinguish URNs from URLs in the mistaken
belief that they are disjoint categories and refusing to
accept they are not.
Wow. That's perhaps the biggest distortion I've ever seen in
IETF.
URNs were, by design, disjoint from URLs because URLs did not
have the properties desired. You may disagree with the design
decision, as did at least a few others. And, sadly, some of those
people have managed to destroy most of the utility of URNs. But
that feature of URLs was an explicit design decision, and efforts
by people to sabotage them do nothing to change that.
Keith
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