On 7/16/19 2:39 PM, Doug Royer wrote: > You can not achieve your goal when you quit. How important are your > goals to you? It seems to me that driving away people with energy and ideas because they're not willing to deal with the tone of discussions here (and let's be clear: there are no longer very many organizations in which abusive language or behavior is tolerated) and leave, either to focus on implementation or to take their work to another body, the IETF is the loser, not the person who left. I worry about several factors degrading the quality of our output and this is certainly one of them. Melinda -- Melinda Shore melinda.shore@xxxxxxxxx Software longa, hardware brevis