On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 11:08 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > Let me put it this way, then: Fedora is released on a six month cycle, > which is far faster than is usually considered desirable for server > usage. It has a 13 month lifetime, which is far shorter than is usually > considered desirable for server usage. Its key values and goals are > assuredly not compatible with typical server usage - e.g. "First - We > believe in the power of innovation and showing off new work in our > releases. Since we release twice a year, you never have to wait long to > see the latest and greatest software, while there are other Linux > products derived from Fedora you can use for long-term stability. We > always keep Fedora moving forward so that you can see the future first." > There are numerous practical policies derived from these values which > are clearly not optimal for server usage, such as the short freeze > times, relatively low barrier of entry to disruptive features, and QA > focus on installation and basic desktop use (we do virtually no QA on > any kind of server usage). Finally, there are *several* Linux > distributions available which have none of the above 'shortcomings' (so > far as server usage is concerned). I'd say the same 'shortcomings' also hurt the end user case. The non-technical people I deal with loathe how we often introduce new features and break stuff (or just their way of doing things) in the process, even in updates -- I've stopped counting the "Oh, updates. I wonder what you guys have broken now."-style comments by my wife. To me, Fedora is much better suited to be run on servers than by end users -- admins usually can help themselves in these situations. Don't take this as being against the slew of features Fedora introduces: personally I'm much in favor of systemd, the /usr move, pulseaudio and all that stuff -- there's no point in just treading water and being on the forefront of things is where Fedora is supposed to be. But let's not kid ourselves into thinking that with a life-cycle of only 13 months and the amount of change we introduce in each new release (especially on the desktop) we're somehow catering to end users who don't have a technically skilled spouse, relative or friend in the background to help if things don't work as expected. Nils -- Nils Philippsen "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase Red Hat a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nils@xxxxxxxxxx nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 PGP fingerprint: C4A8 9474 5C4C ADE3 2B8F 656D 47D8 9B65 6951 3011 -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel