On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > I quite agree this is (becoming?) a problem - but can you suggest a > > workable solution? > > calm down new features because you see now what happended On a point of fact: what _is_ it that you are suggesting happened exactly? Everyone on this list is well aware of the fact that you consider systemd a terrible failure because not every package in Fedora yet has systemd-native init scripts, but by the same token, it is clear that almost no-one agrees with you. On a solid practical level, I am not aware that systemd is currently the source of any major problems in Fedora 15, 16 or 17. I have not seen systemd identified as a major problem by any independent review of Fedora. I have not seen it brought it up as a major issue in any kind of release readiness or validation context. So your use of systemd as an example of the feature process being a terrible idea seems like a weak choice. The only other actual real-world feature that has been cited in the present discussion is /usr move. Aside from the FESCo discussion about whether they could have handled its feature approval better, on a solid practical level, the feature landed in Rawhide and so far as I know has caused no major problems for anyone who's migrated to it: I have seen none such reported. It has not prevented us from building composes, nor has it stopped those composes working. The code to handle /usr move in anaconda actually landed a couple of days ago, and should be included in Alpha TC2, which was released yesterday. Personally, I quite simply don't agree with the entire foundation of your argumentation in this thread. You suggest that the rapid pace of feature development in general is causing terrible problems for the distro, and cite systemd and /usr move as examples; I simply don't see that your examples back up your contention. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
