Am 10.02.2012 18:05, schrieb Adam Williamson: > On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 13:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > Everyone on this list is well aware of the fact that you consider > systemd a terrible failure because not every package in Fedora yet has > systemd-native init scripts, but by the same token, it is clear that > almost no-one agrees with you. On a solid practical level, I am not > aware that systemd is currently the source of any major problems in > Fedora 15, 16 or 17. F15 was horrible broken mysqld in F15 was horrible broken F15 was the first Linux i saw where "reboot" did not work until you typed "kill 1" while praying! if no one agress that is unacceptable that init-system is changed in F15 and F17 still contains not converted services then no one knows how quality looks like for me there are two options * doing a change and doing it completly * doing not the change at all if maintainers can not be forced to convert their services and maintain their packages properly the distribution lacks needed authority - and NO freedom and do what you want does not work always and in every context > Personally, I quite simply don't agree with the entire foundation of > your argumentation in this thread. You suggest that the rapid pace of > feature development in general is causing terrible problems for the > distro, and cite systemd and /usr move as examples; I simply don't see > that your examples back up your contention. as long as /usrmove requires something else than "yum distro-sync" for a working upgrade the "feature" is broken at all other examples from the past: KDE4.0, put in a pre-alpha state in F9, completly unuseable because someone HEARED it MAY be ready until end of GA cycle someone heard, thought and expected that something is ready is the wrong argument for decisions - if i want to pray i go in a church. this has nothing to search in software-development pulseuadio was horrible broken and did not work on any of my machines for some releases systemd is not finished until now and 20 releases behind upstream in F15, half of the packages are not converted your definition and my definition of quality are complete incompatible
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