Re: a little sysadmin story

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Janina, the Speaqualizer I owned was a old ISA card and it actually just read the ordinary text stream. There was not OCR on it so far as I know, it just intercepted the character output system.
So, it worked well for old dos stuff, but thats all.

Now, with that being said, It should be possible to now build a better system, but the problem I see is who would pay for development. The Cubox might be a good computer to start with, it should have the processing power, and is certainly flexable enough.




On Fri, 10 Oct 2014, Janina Sajka wrote:

The more we talk about this, the more I remember things long forgotten
...

Appropos a stand alone box for Speakup ...

APH once sold a device called a Speakqualizer. It was a PCI card that
grabbed VGA and, if memory serves, ran OCR on it---all on a PCI card.

Janina

Tom Fowle writes:
The idea of a stand alone screen reader hardware box with video input is
intreaguing and has
been tried by several folks including Dean Blazie.  but that was years
ago.
I suspect actual screen text would be no problem, if perhaps a bit slow,
but
finding focus and defining/dealing with actual graphics could be a real
headache.

I think you'd need at least two processors, one to do the OCR and the
second
to run the screen reader and speech. Don't guess the Raspbery pi  would
have
the "MIPS" for the ocr task.

BTW, the optacon actually connected to a mac's serial port and you could
read the screen directly with some kind of reader that Berkeley systems
had
as a prototype.  the company died before it could be brought to full
operation <SAD>

For many years I kept seeing brags about optacon being restarted, but so
far as i know none ever came to reality.

  Tom Fowle
  wa6ivgtf@xxxxxxxxxxx


On Thu, Oct 9, 2014, at 08:49 AM, Glenn wrote:
> I do a little of that.
> I do know a little, enough to know what is possible.
> I studied and got a HAM license a long time ago.
> Glenn
> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Ray" <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story
> > > > Get your soldering iron out then Glenn :-p > > > > On 09/10/2014 16:28, Glenn wrote:
> > What we need is a piece of hardware that does OCR directly from the video
> > port.
> > It seems like that would be a relatively easy device to produce, given > > what
> > we have these days.
> > Glenn
> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Al Sten-Clanton" <albert.e.sten_clanton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux."
> > <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 9:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: a little sysadmin story
> >
> >
> > First, I thank Janina for raising certain issues better than I could.
> > (I also thank others who've made valuable points from different angles.)
> >
> > Second, where is the equivalent code for kicking in the monitor when we
> > boot up?  Shouldn't the aim be to treat our access technology in the
> > same or an equivalent way, to the degree possible?
> >
> > Al
> >
> > On 10/09/2014 09:55 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> >> I also wanted to point out that most companies and organizations are a
> >> bit weird about installing anything. The fact that Speakup is in the
> >> kernel, but the entire idea of installing a special program which
> >> they're not sure of, be it screen reader or magnification bothers most
> >> people, so this isn't just an issue of Speakup possibly being better.
> >> There are reasons and there obviously is a need for speakup to get
> >> better, perhaps that means coming out of kernel space. But a sad story
> >> from once upon a time with a moral unrelated is not quite the point.
> >> On 10/9/2014 9:46 AM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote:
> >>> This whole story sounds like it needs another couple of bears to make
> >>> it all interesting. So speakup crashed the kernel. I've had issues,
> >>> but apart from known bugs I've never seen speakup panic the kernel all
> >>> the time. Speakup caused a system to crash? Perhaps. People should
> >>> also backup their work.
> >>> On 10/9/2014 9:34 AM, Deedra Waters wrote:
> >>>> Janina,
> >>>>
> >>>> speakup was the cause because when bossman came down to hook up a
> >>>> monitor and look, the panick messages had something to do with speakup.
> >>>>
> >>>> As for backing up their work, they were trying to fix their fuck-up to
> >>>> begin with. The initial problem wasn't with speakup. However when i was
> >>>> helping them debug it, speakup made the kernel panick and crash.
> >>>>
> >>>> Debian i dont think likes people with root access on their box to begin
> >>>> with, but i think they kind of didn't like speakup in their kernel to
> >>>> begin with.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect on the other hand that if speakup was a user-space app, it
> >>>> wouldn't have mattered to them so much. If a userspace program crashes
> >>>> it doesn't take down the whole box. When speakup does though, it takes
> >>>> down the whole box.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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> > > -- > Michael A. Ray
> Analyst/Programmer
> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
> > The box said: 'install Windows XP, 7 or better'. So I installed Linux > > Interested in accessibility on the Raspberry Pi?
> Visit: http://www.raspberryvi.org/
> From where you can join our mailing list for visually-impaired Pi hackers
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