On 3/26/19 7:41 PM, Keith Moore wrote: > If someone points out that I've made a bad assumption or that I've made > a design choice that would cause problems, I don't consider it unkind to > have it pointed out to me. Of course not, and that's not in dispute. Maybe I've missed something but I haven't seen anyone say that disagreement is not okay or that argument is not okay. But, people really need to stay away from ad hominem argumentation, imputing malicious motivation to someone who disagrees with you, and so on. When you suggest that you think it could be a boon to the organization to have participants behave in a way that drives out people with low tolerance for abuse, you're basically arguing in favor of that abuse, or at least that's how I read it. There are other technical organizations no less rigorous than the IETF (some arguably moreso) with much narrow, more stringent codes of conduct than we have. If we're concerned about bringing new people in (and I think we should be) and trying to make sure that our output remains relevant to how networks are being used, I think we need to ratchet back the animus. I'd really like to see wg chairs step up and take some responsibility for making their working groups good places for people to do productive work, and for all of us to be thoughtful about the consequences of creating hostile environments for other participants. Melinda
