On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:11 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The fundamental driver here is organizational transparency. Our leaders are accountable to the community.
Yes. That's why we have videography, minutes, etc. We are talking very specifically about published *still* photography.
-Ekr
I am sorry, the image of declaring that the IEtF chair can require that photographers not talk pictures of the IETF chair when presenting to the community seems explicitly wrong to me.
Equally, the image of a Working Group chair saying that he or she can not be photographed while running a working group session seems completely counter to the transparency and accountability of our organization.
We do place behavioral expectations and constraints on our leadership in many ways.
Yours,
Joel
On 3/2/18 6:07 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote:
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 2:57 PM, Joel M. Halpern <jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jmh@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
One of the aspects that concerns me about the policy is that it
seems to allow our leadership to require that their images be
removed from pictures of them doing their job.
I don't understand the motivation for this proposal, and it has clear downsides in terms of discouraging participation by people who wish not to be photographed.
Why should being a leader require you to have your picture publicly posted? Your appearance isn't any necessary part of the leadership function.
In case it's not clear, the purpose of the text about panels is, like the text about large groups, a concession to practicality, not derived from the notion that leaders inherently have some diminished right to privacy.
-Ekr
Yes, there is text about panels. But that seems insufficient. I
would suggest we add:
IETF Leadership (such as IAB members, IESG members, and Working Group
Chairs) should understand that when they are performing their formal
duties they may be photographed, and those photographs may be
displayed in public.
That would be in addition to the existing text about panels. Thus,
it would cover WG chairs and cases where for example the IAB Chair
or IETF chair are presenting even without a panel of others.
I will leave it to others as to whether the example lsit of
leadership needs to be more comprehensive. I hope that we do not
need to be more specific about what we mean by performing their
formal duties.
Yours,
Joel
