--On Friday, April 12, 2013 23:37 -0400 Andrew Sullivan <ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > The only lesson I really learned from that experience is that > it is incredibly hard for women[1] to be treated as adult > colleagues in an environment that acts overwhelmingly as a > white male club. JJ Thompson, Grace Anscomb, etc., notwithstanding. Similarly, Grace Hopper, Jean Sammet, Jane Thompson, Martha Steenstrup, Deborah Estrin, Sally Floyd, etc. That doesn't change your point other than to identify a different fallacy in the "girl-philosophy" hypothesis and its computer science / networking analogies. If you haven't heard of some of the above, it demonstrations a slightly different point. It may also suggest that there is an area in which the IETF is absolutely non-discriminatory: there is no evidence that the IETF has been any more effective in driving, e.g., Martha or Deborah out than with Crowcroft, Elz, Clark, Chapin, ... :-( john