On 4/13/13 4:09 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > Do you disagree, are you saying that the IETF should only/first try > to address only gender bias? Clearly not, Lou. For one thing, I've repeatedly said that we're underperforming on a number of axes - repeatedly, and for another I've said some number of times that I don't think that we can do anything about gender bias and that the costs of addressing it given our decision-making structures combined with the very vocal opposition to even looking at the question, let alone addressing it. Experience suggests that gender bias is one of the most deeply-rooted, difficult- to-deal-with bias problems. The IETF punts on a large number of hard technical problems and it would not be inconsistent to punt on a hard social problem. So no, I'm not saying that at all, Lou. I thought I was pretty clear about that. Melinda