On 4/11/2013 1:38 PM, Toerless Eckert wrote: > Suggesting that simply diversity stats across all IETF participants can help > to deduce anything about leadership diversity bias is ignoring qualification > and availability of candidates. Thats why i proposed the questions i would like to see > in a questionaire. You don't really need a questionnaire to go to that. Nominations are a crude metric but they're a metric nevertheless, and it would be an interesting exercise to see how the pool of people recommended represents (or not) the overall pool of people who've accepted their nominations. However. The question that would answer (approximately) is whether or not there's bias in the nomcom process. My own feeling is that if we were to find that the numbers supported the notion that there's bias present in the system we probably couldn't do anything about it without tearing the organization apart, so, we live with bias, and trying to identify whether or not there's bias in the nomcom process would be something along the general lines of opening the gates of hell and we'd probably be better off not knowing for sure. But I digress. It seems to me that it might be more useful to identify what it is you're trying to find out, first, and in this case I'm really not sure why Ray asked that particular question. Melinda