Andrew Sullivan <ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 06:22:17PM -0800, Melinda Shore wrote:
>
>> to be the best. Pretty much every organization that applauds
>> itself for its meritocratic reward structure (to the extent
>> that an I* gig is a "reward") and yet only advances white
>> guys says the same thing.
>
>Speaking only personally, I tend to agree with the above. Despite my
>earlier remark that I think it'd be good to get a rough idea about the
>size of the problem, I'm not sure what to do about it. I'm
>particularly worried that I'm going to get to live through a repeat
>experience. The following is a cautionary tale, cartoonish but not so
>far from the way I observed it.
>
>In the parts of Canada where I lived in the 1990s, philosophy
>departments (which had truly abysmal numbers of female faculty)
>decided there was a shortage of female faculty -- despite the "facts"
>that they'd always promoted only the best, were all sooper-rational
>detached unbiased people, and so on. The problem was, of course, made
>considerably worse by the tenure system, which (owing to the quirks of
>the historic expansion of departments) meant that an overwhelming
>number of tenured faculty were roughly the same age. In any case, the
>Canadian Philosophical Association and, correspondingly, most
>departments decided to adopt a principle that, whenever there was an
>open spot, if there were two qualified people and one of them was a
>woman, the woman should be chosen.
>
>You can imagine the effect. A large number of (usually in my
>experience truly mediocre) male PhDs concluded that the only reason
>they didn't get a tenured job was because there were "quotas". (It
>certainly had nothing to do with the overabundance of mediocre PhDs in
>philosophy.) Meanwhile, any woman who wasn't doing things from a
>feminist perspective was automatically pegged as some sort of toady
>trying to get in good with the patriarchy in order to get her portion
>of the quota. Deeply sexist men who went around enforcing the
>"girls do girl-philsophy, not this hard stuff I do" could congratulate
>themselves for being open minded and non-sexist, even if they made
>jaw-droppingly obscene remarks to female students. The entire
>atmosphere was poisoned. None of this was the reason I quit my
>doctoral program (I was one of the mediocrities), but it sure didn't
>count as a reason to stay.
>
>The only lesson I really learned from that experience is that it is
>incredibly hard for women[1] to be treated as adult colleagues in an
>environment that acts overwhelmingly as a white male club. I still
>have no idea how to do anything about it except to try to be super
>attentive to the problem all the time. That's why I'd like us to have
>an idea of roughly how badly we're doing: then we can pay attention to
>our weaknesses in an effort to turn such attention into a strength.
>
>[1] In this case, but I actually think this generalizes to other
>groups pretty well.
I've seen similar things in other contexts too. I'd suggest turning the question around. I don't think the question of if there is bias or not is reasonably measurable.
There is also a reasonable body of evidence that people who are in a small minority will tend to feel unwelcome regardless of if there are any actual bias or barriers.
Rather the engage in navel gazing about bias detection, engage in finding ways to engage in encouraging more participation from ${group}.
The question to ask is "What can the IETF do to be more open/inviting?"
Scott K