On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 12:15:22PM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: > > JJ Thompson, Grace Anscomb, etc., notwithstanding. Similarly, > Grace Hopper, Jean Sammet, Jane Thompson, Martha Steenstrup, > Deborah Estrin, Sally Floyd, etc. I think we're in agreement, but just to emphasise: I have no idea what the experiences of any of these were like, but I don't think it's relevant that we can name some successful superstars. My point was that it is _difficult_, not that it's impossible. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx