>> As examples, we have had a >> significant number of venues in recent years that were distant from major >> transportation hubs and/or were distant from "local" resources such as the >> usual array of hotels, restaurants, markets and the like. > Of these I can name only Dublin as falling into the category which you > class as a pattern. I am not saying Maastricht or Dublin did not have > problems, I am saying the claim that there is a significant pattern > here is over-stating it. > > Please keep in mind that we have several "non-negotiable" requirements > for venue selection. The first is actually availability of venue on > our dates since our dates are FIXED. Proposals for changing the > meeting model won't necessarily change that reality. Even if you are unwilling to accept these criticisms when CHOOSING venues, what is wrong with applying some bandaids to fix these problems for those venues where it is an issue. Even in Dublin and Maastricht there were "restaurant" districts nearby for those with vehicles. If the hosts or the IETF had operated a 15 min. shuttle service to the restaurant districts from 12 noon to 12 midnight, that would likely have resolved most if not all of the complaints about restaurants. There really needs to be more creative thinking applied to these problems in addition with local knowledge. For instance in some venues it might be better to make bus guides available to take a group on local transit every 15 minutes rather than having shuttles. Far better to identify all the people who have issues, and then collectively brainstorm ways to mitigate the problem without changing the city and hotel used. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf