On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, Michael Dillon wrote: > Even if you are unwilling to accept these criticisms when CHOOSING venues, I am not at all unwilling to accept the criticisms, I was responding to the claim of a pattern. Maastricht clearly had problems, I think that has been stated more than once. Dublin had its own set of problems, but as you say below, there was a bus service to the center of town and there were also a few nearby restaurants near the venue and in the two hotels. I personally had no need to go to central Dublin during that week for dinner. > what is wrong with applying some bandaids to fix these problems for those > venues where it is an issue. Even in Dublin and Maastricht there were > "restaurant" districts nearby for those with vehicles. If the hosts or the > IETF had operated a 15 min. shuttle service to the restaurant districts > from 12 noon to 12 midnight, that would likely have resolved most if > not all of the complaints about restaurants. Indeed that would have been a great idea and did not happen because of misinformation prior to the event. > > There really needs to be more creative thinking applied to these problems > in addition with local knowledge. For instance in some venues it might > be better to make bus guides available to take a group on local transit > every 15 minutes rather than having shuttles. Yes. > > Far better to identify all the people who have issues, and then collectively > brainstorm ways to mitigate the problem without changing the city and > hotel used. > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf