RE: Advertising WG adoption and WG LCs requests [was RE: Interim (and other) meeting guidelines versus openness, transparency, inclusion, and outreach]

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Hi all, 

I also like these two proposals. 

One variation would be to let the WG chairs specifically select a set of WGs to which the calls should be sent. For a recent document that involved up to 4 WGs (opsawg, add, dhcwg, radext), we managed to handle this by squatting the "Send notices to" to enclose the alias of a WG. That WG had the full visibility of the document that is developed in another WG.

For this comment from Carsten: 

> As a WG, I would not want people to jump on a document at this
> stage with “doesn’t have an IANA Considerations section”, or with
> a fine technical point that does indeed require WG work, but is
> not a prerequisite to adopting it (collecting these points is
> still useful, e.g., as github issues, but not as impediments to WG
> adoption).

I assume that the same conventions for engaging in a call for adoption should be followed for ** all ** participants. Re-insist that a call for adoption is not a WGLC wouldn't harm though. 

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> De la part de Carsten Bormann
> Envoyé : mardi 18 juillet 2023 12:22
> À : Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton=40cisco.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc : ietf@xxxxxxxx
> Objet : Re: Advertising WG adoption and WG LCs requests [was RE:
> Interim (and other) meeting guidelines versus openness,
> transparency, inclusion, and outreach]
> 
> On 2023-07-18, at 11:17, Rob Wilton (rwilton)
> <rwilton=40cisco.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > (1) I think that it would be helpful to have a mailing list
> where notification of *all* WG adoption calls are made.
> > (2) I think that it would be helpful to have a separate mailing
> list where notification of *all* WG last calls are made.
> 
> I like that a lot.
> 
> Probably these notifications need to have some boilerplate text,
> in particular for WG adoption calls:
> 
> Documents at this stage are much more “private” to a WG than WGLC
> documents.
> Before a document made it to WGA call, a shared understanding may
> have developed of what work (by the WG) is needed and how that
> work would look like.
> This is hard to transmit out of the WG at the time of an adoption
> call.
> (No, more work is not the answer.)
> 
> As a WG, I would not want people to jump on a document at this
> stage with “doesn’t have an IANA Considerations section”, or with
> a fine technical point that does indeed require WG work, but is
> not a prerequisite to adopting it (collecting these points is
> still useful, e.g., as github issues, but not as impediments to WG
> adoption).
> 
> Grüße, Carsten

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