Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Les Mikesell wrote:
Yes, but now we are back to the fact that the jpackage ones didn't
conflict with anything until fedora started including conflicting
ones, so it seems in bad taste to blame the third party.
I didn't blame anyone. Just stated facts.
Same here. No conflicts existed until fedora packagers duplicated
packages that already existed in well-known repositories and forked them
instead of mirroring.
Sorry if that sounds
insulting, but that's just the way it looks from outside. If there
was some big effort made to avoid this problem and it proved to be
impossible, I must have missed the reasons.
You did despite it being explained to you several times. There are major
software components like Openoffice.org and Eclipse that depends on
Java.
Which still doesn't explain why any needed package that existed
elsewhere couldn't be maintained identically to eliminate the conflict
issue. Maybe there's a case of that somewhere but I'm not convinced it
would have been a problem in general. Would jpackage really have
refused to have the same maintainer make sure common packages were
always identical?
Excluding all the software just because they are in a third party
repository is impossible.
It doesn't have to be excluded, it has to not be a conflicting fork.
I will the end the discussion here since you
seem to be going in circles.
The reason this discussion always goes in circles is that there are 2
factors involved and you always jump between one or the other in your
answers, ignoring the fact that users have to deal the the end result.
Factor 1 is that the fedora repo doesn't include everything that the
pre-existing repositories provided and users still need. Whenever this
comes up you respond about legalities/policy etc., etc., but the reasons
don't matter. The fact is they aren't there. This shouldn't be an
issue, since the other repos are still around, but...
Factor 2 is that _some_ of the packages from the 3rd party repos were
forked into potentially conflicting versions that may cause problems
with the original, while factor 1 ensures that you can't get all of the
packages you are likely to need without them. And a side effect seems
to be that the old repos are no longer particularly interested in
supporting fedora.
If you can't address the effects of both factors at once, I guess there
really isn't anything else to say.
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