Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le lundi 12 mai 2008 à 15:48 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway a écrit :
* I'm not mandating that JPackage change anything. This is specifically
targeted on handling the Fedora packages which are derived from JPackage
packages.
That's not realistic, if you want your matching to work you need the
tagging implemented both sides. The Fedora side is the easy one. Fedora
has still not merged the bulk of the JPackage repository.
Either I'm reading this page wrong:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DeepakBhole/ReasonsForKeepingJPP
or there's additional rationale for .jpp that's not on that page.
The only thing I'm seeing from that page is that people want to select
the Fedora packages on their system that have a companion package in
JPackage so that they can either remove the Fedora package in favor of
the JPackage version or in order to see which packages originated in
JPackage. There's no reason that I see listed on that page for JPackage
to rebuild with a new group/vendor. In fact, if JPackage were to
rebuild with the same group it would defeat the purpose of including
that group.
I'm not saying that .jpp has to go, but I will say the .jpp-in-Fedora
exception was explicitly given a limit when it was voted in that
revolved around the selection issue being resolved in another manner. I
don't mind debating the merits of the new selection method, but changing
the rules of what the requirements are once the old requirements are met
does make me a bit upset.
Some of the base assumptions on the ReasonsForKeepingJPP also don't seem
to be in line with past thinking about third party repositories. We
don't support people installing an rpm provided by an upstream on
sourceforge if it's newer than the one in Fedora and back and forth. We
don't support people getting packages from Mandrake if they aren't
available in Fedora. We don't support people installing a python stack
from pyvault to replace the one in Fedora.
We should either ship repodata for JPackage in the repo, officially
support JPackage packages, and stop repackaging JPackage packages for
Fedora or we should stop pretending that it's a goal of ours for people
to be able to switch out the Java stack provided by Fedora with the Java
stack provided by JPackage, interleave versions with whichever has the
newer version, and etc. (Note that this paragraph is not about
packaging guidelines so it's not an option that the Packaging Committee
can consider. It's probably a FESCo discussion much as the repotag
discussion was an EPEL Steering Committee discussion.)
-Toshio
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