On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 08:21:59PM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > On 07/22/2010 06:37 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > > Personally, speaking as a person_and_ a sysadmin, it would be > > worthwhile to have a big freakin button somewhere that allowed me to > > disable all native systemd config files and let me run sysinit style > > files when the situation demands... ie crap like puppeted > > configurations. It doesn't have to be the default but something that > > lets me get Fedora 14 into my existing local managed environment and > > start the transition process to native systemd on the timescale that > > makes sense in context of that local management infrastructure. > > I think it's time to re-inform everyone since they seemed to be so > focused on systemd and have completely forgot about upstart. > > Nobody has said anything that upstart was being deprecated nobody! > > However Lennart has mentioned before he already has created a patch > which makes upstart parallel installable with systemd but somehow nobody > noticed that in the discussion probably due to that fact they were to > focused on systemd and all the doom it brings. > > FESCO made sure that we could back out of this if it all went south and > what do you think the fallback is ;) > > So we can all be on the same page if you dont want to use systemd you > are not being forced to do so. > > Systemd might be the default in F14 but upstart is still alive and kicking. > > All you have to do is to install the upstart package after his patch has > landed ( Casey already had OK the patch their just waiting for OK from > Bill which is on vacation or was ) and add this line on the kernel > command line "init=/sbin/upstart" and everything will continue to work > as it always has. > > In short no systemd doom of horror will rain upon ye ;) > > It should be in every sysadmins capability adding the package and add > the kernel parameter. > > Now that everybody has been (re)informed we can go back on focusing > working out these issues together without any negativity on any ones behalf. > This may not be true. No packaging guidelines have been put forth for systemd yet so I cannot know: * if we continue to require sysVinit scripts in the guidlines, this is true. * If we don't, then sysadmins that have to install packages without sysvinit scripts will have to deal with writing their own init scripts. -Toshio
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