On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Jon Masters <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 20:35 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: >> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Colin Walters wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > > >> > > I think the bigger question is why are we doing this? >> > >> > There's some motivation here: >> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html >> > >> >> I was pretty clear in everything you cut off about the whole "You know >> what people need, they need this" and the whole developers making things >> for sysadmins because they think sysadmins need it thing. 0pointer.de is >> Lennart's post. If this is only being developed and driven by the same >> people perhaps we should just step back, get it functioning for a while, >> _then_ lets talk about replacements. If you guys feel that strongly about >> it, you'll still feel that way a year from now when the whole system is >> developed and working right? Perhaps then it can go into Fedora? >> >> This should probably say "systemd for F16" > > +1 FWIW. I'm not a huge sysv fanboi either, but I do care about the > experience of sysadmins and the upstream for other projects, and I would > like to see some soak time for this before everyone needs to switch. I > can otherwise just imagine the amount of documentation out there - > books, online resources, etc. that will all be out of date for Fedora > (and perhaps other projects later) but not for other distributions. FWIW this is the reason why upstart pretty much ended being a renamed sysvinit without offering any benefits because people are afraid of change. The books won't magically be rewritten in time for F16 (people aren't even using systemd so why write / update books) ? Isn't it one of Fedora's missions to innovate and lead and not stay in the past forever because people are afraid of change? (Note: I am not addressing a particular change here; but people's resistance against *any* changes=). -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
