Dear Mat,
Christian Stroetmann OntoLab <stroetmann <at> ontolab.com> writes:
Dear Alli;
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Christian Stroetmann OntoLab
<stroetmann <at> ontolab.com> wrote:
Dear Alli,
Well, as you noted at the end of your reply, it is polite to reply to
answers. Maybe you can be the one to start.
What am I doing since months?
Hi guys,
as an outsider let me try to explain what "OntoFS" is all about (from
what I
understood):
what Christian with OntoLab and other companies or organizations are
doing here
is basic research and putting that research to practice:
Research & Development yielding in real products, eg. Linux based
distributions.
"OntoFS" shall become a kind of versioning file system
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versioning_file_system) based on reiser4
(or
another filesystem if it's not possible to use it). This in some way
follows
Hans' vision of developing a filesystem in which everything is a file
and whose
life can be tracked (to simplify it really roughly).
It is a really very rough description of one small facet.
On the other hand it shall also become an "ontological" filesystem
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology_%28information_science%29) with
which
files can be managed directly on the filesystem level.
The descriptions in the wikipedia are partly misleading in a criminal
sense. There really are to many bandwagon jumpers.
So I have to say: Sorry, but as the founder of this subject I would like
to describe it myself.
If I recall correctly
another of Hans' visions was to use reiser4 as kind of
database-filesystem which
more and more today could become reality in association with ontology
and the
so-called semantic Web or (on a simpler level)
Mr. Reiser has described the first half of the vision. With (the real)
OntoFS the other half came to this game, especially the Semantic (World
Wide) Web items. Mr.Reiser didn't use concepts like RDF or OWL. That's
exactlly one of my inventions in the context of R4, which I made public
and by this useable under the GPL.
semantic desktop (?) (see kde 4).
This step was stolen from my OntoLinux website. Before I decided to take
KDE there was no decision made by the Semantic Desktop.org research
group to focus on KDE. (Mat you understood this wrong, who was first and
who was second.) The other ideas taken by the Semantic Desktop.org from
the OntoLinux website were to follow my steps, which are based on the
well know concepts that in Unix everything is a file and that metadata
is data. To give it the rest, the persons in the Semantic Desktop.org
group tried to steal my concept and to get into the first place by
defining an ontology for files.
The difference between OntoLinux and Semantic Desktop are now: OntoLinux
is a full Linux based distribution with many other progressive features
based on an ontological file/storage system, which is based on R4.
Semantic Desktop is at the core an ontology-based clone. That means with
the further development of R4 named OntoFS there is no need to use a
special ontology. And if still persons think it is rude to talk about
OntoFS in this mailing-list, then I would like to give the advices: 1.
Try to get and read the vision for the next generation of R4 by Mr.
Reiser. 2. See above.
In this regard reiser4' plugin architecture should be really helpful
in order to
add more and more functionality.
Yes, but now with the real OntoFS in the ontological and ontology-based
sense.
DISCLAIMER:
I'm not affiliated with ontolab and as an outsider my description doesn't
necessarily have to describe the status or intentions of "OntoFS"
accurately
Sorry Mat, but there are many things to say, which really will go out of
the scope of this mailing-list.
for more information have a look at:
* https://picoforge.int-evry.fr/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Ontofs/Web/OntofsIntro
(you can use translate.google.com to translate it into english from
vietnamese)
This was a nasty try to steal my concept. I would like to give
interested persons the advice to follow the links given in the Semantic
File/Storage System section on the Software links webpage of the
OntoLinux webpage. Especially you should look at: Pass - Provenace Aware
Storage Systems. With the real OntoFS there is no need to use KBDB -
In-Kernel Berkeley Database, because it is based on R4. (Mat I really
don't know why you named this project. It is one of many annoying clones.)
* http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~syrah/pass/
* and the corresponding wikipedia entries about ontology, semantic
web, etc.
Yes, but once again: The content of the wikipedia is subjective and in
some parts misleading and manipulating.
Greetings
Mat
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Have fun
Christian *<:o)
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