Regardless of my most likely incorrect categorization...it exists and affects #s reported that if people don't include category they fall into...then #s mean nothing. Nokia knows it is a problem and plans to address it anyways...so kudos to them. Since N800 isn't a phone I can't see comparison to iPhone being relevant. For a Linux device...the N800 is quite user friendly and I believe "Joe Consumer" would have a good time with it...short of codec/cpu limitations and certain videos not playing well. PepperPad3 is another example of a Linux device you could (kind of) give to Mom. I handed mine off to mother recently and she had no problem accessing her web-mail, playing games and watching videos/etc. I'd installed. Minimal functionality? As much as I harp on my other devices...I don't critique the N800 for having no func out of box. My only gripes are lack of eyelet/ring for neck lanyard, no phone/3g/keybd and cpu speed/codecs. I can't scream about lack of a2dp when linux in general suffers in this area. Yeah I want higher res and hdmi out...but we must be patient... mike Gary Baribault wrote: > Hey Mike, > > I think most people who are minimalists would not get involved in a > Linux device, they would have gone for the IPhone. Sure there will be > some of them who purchase a 400$+ device for minimal functionality, but, > and I may be mistaken, the red wine is getting to me here, most of us > have purchased this N800 for the power features, I have a Debian based > device with BT and WiFi and 2 SD slots!!! YEAH > > As I said, the wine could be getting to me here in Montreal, but THAT'S > why I bought this toy, and that translates to 90 minutes plus if I have > to reconfigure it at each flash!! And I repeat, Nokia, I'm not > bitching, thatks for the great toy, it's already making my life much > better, but please re-arange your priorities to give us this feature > before others. > > > Gary Baribault > Courriel: gary at baribault.net > GPG Key: 0x4346F013 > GPG Fingerprint: BCE8 2E6B EB39 9B23 6904 1DF4 C4E6 2CF7 4346 F013 > > > > Mike Klein wrote: > >> These #s mean nothing without taking into account target user as you >> mention. >> >> Do Nothing: This person buys device, installs a few apps and nothing >> else. (TARGET AUDIENCE) >> Minimal: These users install bunches of apps, certificates, pgp keys >> (SECONDARY) >> Maxmimum: Power Users/Devt who fully tweak device, custom drivers, conf >> edits, perhaps beyond restore-ability >> >> So for primary audience...what is prob' 30min. reinstall time isn't too bad. >> >> >> mike >> >> Gary Baribault wrote: >> >>> Yep, that's exactly what I mean, some people have put down 430$ (in >>> Canada) for a nice toy, and they can flash and restore in 20 minutes, >>> but most people (I think, and I may be wrong) have put down 430$ for a >>> fully customised device .. I'm not looking to be skewing information, if >>> i'm wrong, then I'm wrong, no prob, then Nokia is right! >>> >>> >>> Gary Baribault >>> Courriel: gary at baribault.net >>> GPG Key: 0x4346F013 >>> GPG Fingerprint: BCE8 2E6B EB39 9B23 6904 1DF4 C4E6 2CF7 4346 F013 >>> >>> >>> >>> drfredc at drfredc.com wrote: >>> >>> >>>>> I'm sure that some of the N800 owners can backup/flash/restore in 20 >>>>> minutes, but I would really be curious how many people take over 90 >>>>> minutes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> If you limit your curiosity to those over 90 minutes, you'll >>>> purposefully skew the results, which really isn't appropriate. >>>> >>>> I'm a 20 minute flash and restore kind of guy, back in August when I >>>> got the unit back from warranty service due to it's brick like >>>> behavior. Most of that time was spent watching TV while the unit and >>>> laptop did their work. >>>> >>>> However, it's possible that it's easy and short for me because I've >>>> kept things relatively simple on my N800 with a couple games, Gizmo >>>> Project, Quiver photo viewer and Claws mail being just about the only >>>> additions. I've configured about 20 RSS feeds and 4 weather stations. >>>> I've tested a fair amount of other stuff from Maemo, but then when I >>>> find it of limited value or unfunctional, I remove it to keep the >>>> clutter down. It seems to speed boot up keeping things simple. I >>>> gather it may also help the restore process... >>>> >>>> I guess the fine print is I've only recently started messing around >>>> getting Claws Mail up to full speed with filters and stuff, so it might >>>> be possible that I might have to spend some time fussing with restoring >>>> some Claws settings there from a restore, but then again, perhaps not. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> maemo-users mailing list >>>> maemo-users at maemo.org >>>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> maemo-users mailing list >>> maemo-users at maemo.org >>> https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users >>> >>>
