yet, would that be your choice if you physically could not use those
tools?
Which is largely my point. The idea behind a11y, and which was behind
w3c until recently, is that everyone deserves access to the web,
regardless of what their
body requires.
Add in that for many populations experiencing disabilities, the
economic foundation to afford several upgrades and the like is
nonexistent.
The Rehab system in the states for example has largely failed if there
remains an unemployment rate in the80% range.
I respect that you have your set of tools that work for you. Does not that
right extend to everyone?
rights are not about percentages, how small of a market and the like.
After all the right to vote exists for the single person.
why should that not extend to accessing services, services impacted by
extensive noninclusive captchas?
Please explain why your choices are to be accommodated more than another
persons?
I respect that may not be your meaning, but when you say that a market is
too small, you feed the idea that only some deserve a way through the
door.
Karen
On Fri, 5 Mar 2021, Janina Sajka wrote:
Hi, Karen:
I wouldn't expect support for console browsers. It's just far too small
a userbase anymore, with far too little interest among developers.
Personally, I still use lynx where I can. But I'd be lost on the web
without Firefox, Chromium, Safari, etc.
Best,
Janina
Karen Lewellen writes:
Hi janina,
Speaking personally, I quite respect this document.
Still, I am very concerned by the modern solutions stance.
can you articulate how those modern solutions work in the more console
rooted environment of Linux?
Likewise, and again a personal stance, the gap between this kind of research
and the need to obtain a solution to a captcha related barrier, or, as is
the case here, a barrier to a captcha solution can be rather large.
best advice for how to address what hcaptcha is doing specifically?
Thanks,
On Wed, 3 Mar 2021, Janina Sajka wrote:
Two comments about CAPTCHA taken from the 2019 W3C Technical Note on
CAPTCHA inaccessibility:
http://www.w3.org/TR/turingtest
1.) It's not just blind people who require consideration, eg. there
are people with other disabilities that are likely to encounter barriers
whatever the CAPTCHA approach.
2.) CAPTCHA must, and can be eliminated with more modern strategies.
These are also explored in our doc.
Best,
Janina
Glenn K0LNY writes:
I don't even know why they offer visual and audio captchas, when I have come
across sites that just ask a basic question like:
what is five plus seven?
Apparently this keeps out computer hacks too.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Lewellen" <klewellen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Jookia" <contact@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: hcaptcha, is A curiosity about multi-user systems?
Granted the issues captchas pose are extensive for several populations.
still, your idea of changing the user agent, no matter how reasonable,
seems to sort of make you a hacker. All the while this service continues
to misrepresent what access means, and if their twitter conversations on
the topic are any indication, limit access to a very small box.
there must be a more direct solution to this situation?
Kare
On Mon, 1 Mar 2021, Jookia wrote:
When hCaptcha first came out I went on CloudFlare's site and ranted
about how bad the accessibility was for screen readers. They seemed to
have fixed it a bit since then, but I don't think they really test or
put much effort in to it.
Ultimately CAPTCHAs exclude anyone that is worse off than an AI. I hate
it.
You could try setting your browser agent to some Windows thing, that
might help.
Jookia.
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Janina Sajka
https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
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Janina Sajka
https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka
Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org
The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa
