Kirk, I've wondered about this myself, so I'm glad you raised the question. I don't see a multi-user Linux system in my remaining days on this planet. It's certainly possible I'm wrong about that. However, if there is a multi-user system in my future, I would expect it to be a graphical desktop system. Not in my wildest do I see a multi-user console system. Meanwhile, the loss of the ability to play audio on the way to the login prompt is a nuisance, imo. I have two active Arch systems right now, one about 8 year old hardware, the other less than a year old. Both behave differently, yet the OS is the same, kept updated, with pretty much the same software installed. I work around this nuisance because login just doesn't play a large role in my life. With a new kernel loaded after system upgrade, I do indeed reboot and login. But, I then execute a script that uses openvt to launch my 22 additional consoles. The 24th console I login on as root directly, not via sudo -u. The biggest nuisance for me with the 2020 machine is the lack of support for beep on backspace. I'm mightily offended by that! <smile> hth Janina Kirk Reiser writes: > Hey folks: Whenever folks start to talk about permissions and using > things as individual users or system wide the notion of keeping them > valid for multi-users system are paramount. I wonder how many of you > actually user linux mechines as a multi-user box? > > Back when I kept various Unix like machines for students and the > public in the eighties and nineties they were pretty well all used as > multi-user systems. Since linux became readily available over the > years I don't think I've ever seen one actually used as a multi-user > machine. I'm trying to figure out whether it is really important to > keep the availability present or if we might be crippling the > community by insisting on it? > > The ongoing argument about whether pulse audio running in system mode > or individual mode is a perfect example of what I'm wondering > about. I'm sure there many other examples that could be dragged > up. Your opinions would be interesting to hear. > > Kirk > > -- Janina Sajka https://linkedin.com/in/jsajka Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Co-Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa