We might be in what's sometimes called violent agreement, here. I agree we need boot messages. You may recall, back when Bill and I were putting out the Speakup Modified Fedora that we had the slogan of "because equal access is the blind computer user's right, from bootup to shutdown." Heck it's still there on the Speakup Modified page. Janina John G. Heim writes: > > > On 10/09/14 07:32, Janina Sajka wrote: > >John G. Heim writes: > >>You can switch to a character user interface and use speakup even after > >>starting the graphical user interface. But as I said, I don't consider that > >>a key part of the linux accessibility infrastructure. > > > > > >I have to disagree strongly, John. > > > >But, let me phrase my disagreement this way, is the console a key part > >of Linux? Or shall we dump the console entirely in favor of a terminal > >in the gui? > > In principle, I agree with you entirely. I'm in favor of 100% equal access. > It's just that I think there is a much greater issue. > > Actually, the way you do things probably isn't threatened. You may have to > switch to a different user space screen reader. But the linux kernel > developers have no obligation to avoid telling you that your choice of > screen reader is no longer supported. They do that kind of thing every day. > > I am asserting that doing something that makes it impossible for a blind > systems admin to get access to the same boot messages that a sighted systems > admin gets is a completely different matter. I'm saying that there are > times when a sys admin has to have access to those messages or he can't do > his job. I'm not saying he can't do it as efficiently. I'm saying sometimes > he can't do it at all without access to those messages. > > There are a lot of places to attack my position. Some people have implied > that you can do your job w/o access to those messages. I agree that most of > the time you can. But not always. Also, there may be other ways to get > access to those messages besides speakup and a hardware synth. A serial > console comes to mind. But I'm not sure of what the status of the serial > console is going to be if this change occurs. > _______________________________________________ > Speakup mailing list > Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Email: janina@xxxxxxxxxxx Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ _______________________________________________ Speakup mailing list Speakup@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://linux-speakup.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/speakup
