There you go. My memory is completely the reverse. Blue sheets were for counts for room sizing only, and had no requirement for a real identity and were (for privacy reasons) not retained about individuals or used to do things which related to them as individuals. And no.. I haven't gone into the mail stacks to prove that: I'm saying what I thought had been said. Not unusual that its the inverse of what was actually said. _G On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:12 AM Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On 23-Apr-20 10:35, George Michaelson wrote: > > I thought some things were said about blue sheets which went to "we > > will never do that, its only for volume and not PII" > > > > but memory may be wrong, and .. we're not about "obeying the laws of > > physics" here. But.. if we did say that, don't we need to "un-say" it? > > I hope we never said it. The blue sheets are proof of presence for > the purposes of our IPR disclosure rules. A list of attendees > is required by BCP25. > > As the Note Well says, > > * As a participant in or attendee to any IETF activity you acknowledge that written, audio, video, and photographic records of meetings may be made public. > * Personal information that you provide to IETF will be handled in accordance with the IETF Privacy Statement. > > Brian > > > > > Blue Sheets are not purely informational by count now: You may be > > identified by adding your data to a blue sheet and it may be > > reconciled against other records in ways which are PII, and hence > > invoke GDPR and CCPA > > > > -G > > > > On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:30 AM Jay Daley <jay@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> On 23/04/2020, at 9:09 AM, John C Klensin <john-ietf@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > >> This suggests something else that may be relevant. If there is > >> _any_ chance that we might want to use session attendance > >> information for IETF 107 for anything at all, including but > >> definitely not limited to Nomcom eligibility in the future (not > >> this year's NomCom), it would probably be wise to either merge > >> to information from the Etherpad with Jabber logins and/or to > >> explicit ask people who were unable (or sufficiently > >> inconvenienced by technology) to record their presence on the > >> Etherpad to identify themselves to the Secretariat in some > >> appropriate way (I hope not on this mailing list). > >> > >> Jay, is that feasible? > >> > >> > >> For IETF 107 the secretariat reconciled the list of Webex participants with the bluesheets to create a single list on a per session basis. Inferring a participant’s name from a jabber ID is too hard. > >> > >> Jay > >> > >> > >> thanks, > >> john > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jay Daley > >> IETF Executive Director > >> jay@xxxxxxxx > >> > > > > >
