On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 9:43 AM Harald Alvestrand <harald@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 3/24/19 2:01 PM, Ted Lemon wrote:
On Mar 24, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I have never held any official IETF position and I have been able to participate in WG activities just fine.
Yes, but you have no say in IETF leadership.
The eligibility requirements are for nomcom membership (and for signing recall petitions).
The nomcom listens a lot, and gets input from people who are not themselves eligible for nomcom membership.
So it's not that you have no say, it's that you have no ability to volunteer for having a vote.
(of the 100 or so who volunteer for Nomcom in any given year, 90 of them never get to vote either.)
I was about to point out that it is logical to gate nomcon qualification on attendance as that is the one IETF function where in person presence is pretty much essential.
But we should not consider the nomcon to be immutable. The reason we have it is that Vint Cerf, Jon Postel and others did not want accountability and did not want to stand for elections. One problem that created was that there isn't any body that can take controversial decisions so very often decisions are made by default which is bad.
Having observed that ICANN also exhibits severe organizational pathologies, I am not minded to defer to their skills in founding durable organizations.
