> It needs to benefit the whole eco-system. Using the end user as a proxy for all of the other partners will lead to sub-optimal solutions. Well, it’s the other way around. The ecosystem is there to benefit the humans. Technical decisions that benefit some parts of the ecosystem while damaging the users are not something I want to be part of. (Neither of technical decisions that damage the ecosystem in such a way that it no longer works well for the users, of course.) > As for Big Brother (presumably not the TV show), I hold a view that is controversial in the IETF, that as a tax payer I pay various agencies to protect me and my family, and if they need to see Internet data to do their job, then they should have access to it. You will find there is less opposition in the IETF than you think to what you just said. The question we are running into is how do we find out what they need. Asking them is surprisingly ineffective in finding out. They rarely understand the consequences of what they are demanding, and it is mostly informed by what has been and not what will be. As a general rule, we have to skate to where the puck will be, not where it was. Neither end users nor those government agencies really understand where that is, so asking them is less useful than one would wish. Ask Steve Jobs about asking users what they want… We need to invest in understanding the consequences of what we are building, and make choices that are good for humanity. In the very real world that we are living in. And get paid for that, and help get others paid for that, so our ecosystem stays sustainable. Grüße, Carsten