Re: Finding the appropriate work stream for draft-nottingham-for-the-users

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On 19/03/2019 16:58, Keith Moore wrote:
On 3/19/19 12:09 PM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:

I had asked this question on an earlier version of this draft and want to poke at it again.  Is the focus on end users the best and most effective way to achieve the same objective?  Could the focus of this work be shifted to privacy and providing anonymity in protocols instead?

I don't think I understand.   Why would we emphasize privacy and anonymity if not for the benefit of end users?   Also, this kind of direction wouldn't tell us how to deal with tussles between privacy or anonymity, and other needs of end users.

I claim that, fundamentally, the Internet exists to benefit end users - much more than, say, to benefit network operators, merchants, equipment manufacturers, Big Brother, etc.   Failing to recognize that only makes IETF less relevant.

Keith



It needs to benefit the whole eco-system. Using the end user as a proxy for all of the other partners will lead to sub-optimal solutions.

As for Big Brother (presumably not the TV show), I hold a view that is controversial in the IETF, that as a tax payer I pay various agencies to protect me and my family, and if they need to see Internet data to do their job, then they should have access to it.

- Stewart




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