I had asked this question on an earlier version of this draft and want to poke at it again. Is the focus on end users the best and most effective way to achieve the same objective? Could the focus of this work be shifted to privacy and providing anonymity in protocols instead?
If you take the TLS 1.3 case, if the goal is to maintain PFS, a statement on privacy and human rights plus anonymity could achieve that objective.
Thinking about the points Eliot and Stewart made, the entire Internet ecosystem could be accounted for with this theme as well as how the Internet is evolving. Sensor data and edge computing is a major focus of work for many now and the IETF will want to do work in those spaces. Considering how we frame this could be very important to future work items as the Internet evolves. There's also a push for user ownership of data that may upend the consolidation trends, while this is in support of the end user, it could be framed as privacy focused and helping toward human right objectives.
I think the examples should be varied as not to favor any communities as to Eliot's points as well.
Best regards,
Kathleen
On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 11:48 AM Livingood, Jason <Jason_Livingood@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: ietf <ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx> on behalf of Ted Lemon <mellon@xxxxxxxxx>
> This is certainly an exciting picture of the future that you are painting at layer 2 and layer 3, but I notice that you didn’t respond to Ole’s point, which I think is a great example of the problem. Like it or not, the participants in the IETF have expertise that is relevant to things that you call “political,” and to suggest that we should not factor that into our decisions is unrealistic. We are going to factor these considerations into our decisions whether we admit it or not.
[JL] I agree, Ted. New IETF standards are not introduced in a vacuum. Rather, IETF standards have real-world impacts on technologies, markets, and societies (and of course the people in those societies).
Best regards,
Kathleen
