> Il 19 marzo 2019 alle 19.15 Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@xxxxxxxxx> ha scritto: > > It needs to benefit the whole eco-system. Using the end user as a proxy > for all of the other partners will lead to sub-optimal solutions. As someone who almost 20 years ago campaigned for the creation of the "end user constituency" at ICANN and then had to implement it for real, I think that the draft is potentially laudable but overly simplistic. Everyone agrees that you should act "for the users", but when you try to do it in practice, all sorts of other interests stand up and claim to speak for the users, or to know what's best for the users; you need someone to represent them, since you cannot ask several billion Internet users what they think of each new protocol and they would not be able to have informed opinions anyway, but many representatives end up being self-interested or captured by other interests that are more directly involved. So the difficult part is not in stating the principle, but in how to make it work fairly in the real world, and that's where the focus of any effort should be. Also, it is very rare that anything goes in the interest of "the users"; more often, there will be some users that gain and others that lose. It is unclear in the document how the IETF would deal with that kind of tradeoff, which is generally managed via representative democracy and voting. There is a generic reference to "interacting with the greater Internet community", and yet the IETF is the less diverse and less multi-stakeholder of the I* organizations; not well equipped to make calls on what is the global public interest. Strikingly, throughout the document there is basically just one example for "not end users": network operators (plus their hardware vendors). That's the example on top of page 3, but it is also implicit in the fourth paragraph of section 2 (if anyone at an endpoint is an end user, the only people that are not end users are those who sit in the network), and again is the only example of a "not end user" in section 4. One would expect the big Internet platforms also not to be "end users", but since according to the definition in section 2 anyone at an endpoint is an "end user", explicitly including those "producing content, selling goods or providing a service", even the most pervasive and dominant Internet platforms are "end users" and the IETF will design standards prioritizing their interests. I cannot see how this can be purported to be "for the people". Regards, -- Vittorio Bertola | Head of Policy & Innovation, Open-Xchange vittorio.bertola@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Office @ Via Treviso 12, 10144 Torino, Italy
