Thanks, Ted,
My mail to Eric was not about the photography policy, just
about Erics statement why IETF leadership photos should be published.
See also my reply to Melinda.
Yes, what you describe to be awkward to you applies to me as well.
One problem i have with the whole discussion is sensitivity bias.
When someone like me wants photos, it needs to be justified, explained.
when someone does not want photos, no questions asked. An if anyone
would ask and the answer was "awkwardness", it would considered to be
rude to answer "deal with it".
I would like to see the IETF take as much work in explaining to
participants why it is helpfull/respectfull to other participants
to publish your face photos (and enabling it via eg: datatracker)
- as IETF is now spending to make it easier to indicate when you do not
want your photos taken.
The bigger problem are solutions to problems that let terrorists win.
Thats why i said i would like to understand if existing rules against
harrassment, intimidation are used (ombutsteam discussion with violators)
before introducing new rules unnecessary for those cases. And secondly
a more explicit positive list of permitted uses of photography.
Also: can we please stop justifying the photography policy with
"shove camera into your face" ? Thats intimidation, no new rules needed.
Cameras can have zoom-lens. No physcial intimidation needed.
Thats what a new photography rule would/must protect against.
"Catching up with what other conferences are doing".
Seriously, that's an argument ?
Sorry, too many fallacies on this thread.
Cheers
Toerless
On Fri, Mar 02, 2018 at 11:37:35PM -0500, Ted Lemon wrote:
> Toerless, it seems to me that the current proposed policy already does what you want. You can take pictures of anyone who consents to have their picture taken. Those people who don't consent, well, you wouldn't want to have taken their picture without their consent, would you? Now you know who you can photograph and who you can't. This is much better than the company facebook problem you mentioned.
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> I have the opposite problem???I remember people by their face, and I independently remember peoples' names from email, but tying the two together is not automatic for me???it requires serious effort. So facebooks are also really helpful to me.
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> But my need in this regard does not trump other IETF participants' right to withhold consent to photograph. Most IETFers I can find on LinkedIn or Facebook; the ones who do not want their faces online, I can't find, and I just have to remember their names the old fashioned way, or call them "hey you."
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> Occasional awkward conversations ensue when someone recognizes me in person and starts talking about an email conversation we've been having. I know this person by their face, and have an entire history with that face, but that history is not connected to the email conversation, and so I draw a blank. It's awkward. I deal with it. Life isn't always free of awkwardness.
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