-----Original Message----- From: ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx [mailto:ietf-bounces@xxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Rescorla Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy? >I find that I work more effectively when I have computer and Internet available WEG] Me too, emphasis on the Internet. And this is exactly the reason why I simply don't buy the "just find a cheaper hotel instead of the IETF one" argument as the only solution for people put off by the price of the main hotel. Those staying in hotels with non-IETF internet access find that the combination of some non-trivial number of heavy internet users plus underprovisioned wireless, DHCP pool, and uplink, lack of IPv6 support + NAT = internet service that is somewhere between annoyingly crappy and unusably crappy. While I am somewhat sensitive to hotel price, for me, first-class internet service in my hotel room is worth a small bump in price so that I don't have to spend hours before and after sessions are over squatting in the conference area or hotel common area to get a decent connection to get work done. If you're willing to make that tradeoff in the interest of cheaper hotel, more power to you, but given the number of complaints about Delta's network in QC, I think that this is something that people tend to forget until they get there... (and before you say anything, I realize that Delta was the official overflow hotel, but I think the point is still valid). I'll also note that I don't think that it's strictly necessary for the hotel and conference center to be connected. I thought that the arrangement in Stockholm was quite nice. Wes George This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout. _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf