On 8/27/2011 10:30 PM, Eric Rescorla wrote: > On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Dave CROCKER <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> On 8/27/2011 7:48 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote: >>> >>> What I have heard is that the community would prefer going to locations >>> that were easy to travel to over "interesting". >> >> >> How do you reconcile this assertion against the clearly positive group >> reactions to Prague and Quebec? >> >> FYI, in relative terms, even Minneapolis is second-tier. > > I have no idea what the "community" wants--and I'm not convinced that > the data we > have available lets us assess that, for the usual reasons about the > difficulty of doing > accurate surveying--but speaking solely for myself, I'm at IETF to > work, so my priorities > center around the things that make it easy to get work done. This > basically boils down > to cost and convenience. Good to hear. Getting rid of cookies can save a _lot_ of money & since you're "at IETF to work" I'm sure you wouldn't mind if the conditions more closely approximated those of the typical office; no office I've ever worked in has provided free cookies & beverages twice a day... > > Within these general parameters, my priorities are something like: > 1. Cost: > - Travel > - Hotel > > Rationale: airfare tends to not be that flexible, but it's generally > possible to find a cheaper > hotel if you try (as several people have observed). However, if the > conference hotel > is $300/night, then this is probably going to trickle down some into > cheaper hotels so > it's not like hotel doesn't matter. > > > 2. Convenience: > - Length of trip. > - Local services > > Rationale: travel time is time I'm not working (yeah, we all try, but > I'm not that effective > and I suspect most people are not.) Lack of local services means less > time meeting > and more time rushing around trying to find lunch before the next > meeting, walking to > and from the hotel, etc. So, do you live in your office? Next door to the building? Across the street from the office park? If not, why are you applying criteria to the IETF "workplace" that you don't to everyday employment? For that matter, for one whose (not primary, but _only_) purpose is work, finding lunch is a non-problem: you simply eat whatever is closest, quickest, most efficient, without any regard to taste or surroundings (e.g., the company cafeteria, analogous in this case to the hotel restaurant(s)). WRT walking to and from the hotel, I know that I, at least, am not paid to type (if I was, my clients would be getting a really bad deal ;-). I get paid to think, and I'm pretty sure that you are, too. I don't know you very well, but I think it's a sure bet that you can think & walk at the same time :-). ... _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@xxxxxxxx https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf