On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Dave CROCKER <dhc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> On 8/27/2011 7:48 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
>>
>> What I have heard is that the community would prefer going to locations
>> that were easy to travel to over "interesting".
>
>
> How do you reconcile this assertion against the clearly positive group
> reactions to Prague and Quebec?
>
> FYI, in relative terms, even Minneapolis is second-tier.
I have no idea what the "community" wants--and I'm not convinced that
the data we
have available lets us assess that, for the usual reasons about the
difficulty of doing
accurate surveying--but speaking solely for myself, I'm at IETF to
work, so my priorities
center around the things that make it easy to get work done. This
basically boils down
to cost and convenience.
Within these general parameters, my priorities are something like:
1. Cost:
- Travel
- Hotel
Rationale: airfare tends to not be that flexible, but it's generally
possible to find a cheaper
hotel if you try (as several people have observed). However, if the
conference hotel
is $300/night, then this is probably going to trickle down some into
cheaper hotels so
it's not like hotel doesn't matter.
2. Convenience:
- Length of trip.
- Local services
Rationale: travel time is time I'm not working (yeah, we all try, but
I'm not that effective
and I suspect most people are not.) Lack of local services means less
time meeting
and more time rushing around trying to find lunch before the next
meeting, walking to
and from the hotel, etc.
I'm certainly not opposed to interesting venues, but I would say it's
worth about $200-300
to me on a typical IETF trip. I would be more than happy to have all
IETFs at some small number of convenient, economical venues. E.g.,
Vancouver, Prague,
and (insert Asian Venue here.) [0] Obviously, we can't optimize for
these criteria
at once for everyone, but it's equally the case that there are plenty
of venues which
don't really meet them that well for anyone.
-Ekr
[0] Prague isn't actually that convenient since it's one hop away from
Frankfurt. None of the
European venues have been that great for me from the standpoint of the
two criteria above,
since they're either far from a hub (Prague) or expensive (Paris). My
vote here would
probably be for Frankfurt, but that's probably just Star Alliance provincialism.
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