In the abstract, your points look reasonable. But until I know when the
delivery protocol changed, and why, I don't know whether there is an
issue of consultation or just "you know, you should have told us
sooner." )I presume that the people who know are not working over the
weekend like us loonatics.)
Yours,
Joel
On 6/30/2024 10:42 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
Hiya,
On 01/07/2024 03:31, Joel Halpern wrote:
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For me, the reason I have read a lot of the notes similarly to the way
John did is in part the way the conversation started.
If it ha started with "hey, I see that we don't have IPv6 support for
our email now. When did that stop and why?" Anc then waited for staff
to have a chance to answer, that would have been understandable.
That may be correct. OTOH, wouldn't it have been obviously better
had the starting point been "hey, we're having problems finding
ways to get someone to send mail over IPv6"?
But
the thread started with "staff did something wrong". (To be clear
Stephen, I think your email was sufficient far down-thread that I have
no perception of your attitude, and would likely be wrong if I guessed.)
To try be clear(er):-), I see two issues here that I think
require better justification:
- issues with finding someone to send over IPv6 should've been
communicated to the community as it's a no-brainer that that's a
thing that will cause controversy
- I don't see that the IETF need to be part of the herd and only
use "major" email service providers, who do have a history of not
paying any attention to tiny customers such as the IETF (as you
yourself pointed out)
And of course, characterising criticisms related to the above as
if all criticisms imply someone is incompetent don't help. It is
entirely easy to make mistakes, as we all do. Admitting those, when
they've happened, and dealing with that is... preferable.
Cheers,
S,
Yours,
Joel
On 6/30/2024 10:03 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
John,
On 01/07/2024 02:25, John R Levine wrote:
I have to say that the implication that the people running the
IETF's mail
system are incompetent fools is getting a little old.
I read almost but not all of the messages in these threads.
In none of that did I make any such accusation. I also didn't
see such things stated by others. (But if they did, then do
call those out specifically.)
Tarring all criticism that way is basically a distraction. I
guess that's based on some kind of knee-jerk reaction due to
frustration, but I'd encourage you to re-read what was actually
written and perhaps answer that instead.
Thanks,
S.
