--On Friday, June 12, 2020 13:37 -0700 Larry Masinter <LMM@xxxxxxx> wrote: >... > For moving IETF online, I'd suggest hiring some group that > does it for a living > > https://www.diplomacy.edu/conference-tech-lab > > in consultation with IETF in an open transparent manner, of > course. Larry, that path leads to a rathole-rich environment with very smart and well-fed rats. Among other things, I note that Diplo's list does not include Meetecho, which I believe IETF chose for good reasons and with the limitations of other systems for our purposes in mind and then, more important, assorted people (including Ray and the Secretariat) worked closely with the developers to further adapt to our needs. Moreover, unless something has changed that you or Jay know about but I don't, prior experience with Meetecho strongly suggests that, if we discover deficiencies that we would like to have corrected before IETF 108 and give them reasonable notice, the chances of getting those changes made are quite good. Having tried, in non-IETF contexts, to work with the providers of three or four of the systems Diplo lists to get bugs or unfortunate features fixed, a year or two might be plausible, but not six weeks... unless , of course, one is a government making demands and/or threats. It seems to me that Jay has, to his credit even if he has not gotten it right every time, been struggling to avoid such ratholes. If nothing else, even if Diplo were a perfect match, there almost certainly is not enough time to work out a contract with them, have them understand our needs, adjust fees as needed, and then go into a meeting that is now only six weeks away without creating unacceptable risk. So, at minimum, can we postpone that particular discussion until we get through IETF 108 and can start assessing what we learned and what to do next? thanks, john
