> I saw a discussion on a WG list yesterday which I would characterise as > > In person meeting; Cost thousands; Timing chosen to suit others > Virtual meeting; Cost hundreds; Timing chosen to suit others > Virtual interim; Cost negligible; Timing chosen to suit us i am constantly amused that the internet engineering task force tries to replicate in-person meetings as verbatim as possible. it's as if the ietf has yet to discover the internet. ever read sci-fi where a culture replicates ancient rituals for which they do not even remember the reasons? > which makes me wonder if there will be an increase in requests for > Virtual interim, And if they are constrained, will there be an > increase in Webex? for example, a number of us have stood up jitsi servers. and there are https://meet.jit.si, free zoom, et alia, of course. we even hold informal ad hoc technical conversations, open cafes, ... without asking the ruling ietf llc <gasp!>. the world is changing, whether we like it, or it fits our beloved well controlled models, or not. randy