On 06-Jun-20 09:08, Randy Bush wrote: >> I saw a discussion on a WG list yesterday which I would characterise as >> >> In person meeting; Cost thousands; Timing chosen to suit others >> Virtual meeting; Cost hundreds; Timing chosen to suit others >> Virtual interim; Cost negligible; Timing chosen to suit us > > i am constantly amused that the internet engineering task force tries > to replicate in-person meetings as verbatim as possible. it's as if > the ietf has yet to discover the internet. ever read sci-fi where a > culture replicates ancient rituals for which they do not even remember > the reasons? > >> which makes me wonder if there will be an increase in requests for >> Virtual interim, And if they are constrained, will there be an >> increase in Webex? > > for example, a number of us have stood up jitsi servers. and there are > https://meet.jit.si, free zoom, et alia, of course. we even hold > informal ad hoc technical conversations, open cafes, ... without asking > the ruling ietf llc <gasp!>. > > the world is changing, whether we like it, or it fits our beloved well > controlled models, or not. Doesn't fix time zones though, which is why primacy of email remains essential IMNSHO. Otherwise, what you said. Brian