On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Solomon Peachy <pizza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 12:15:09AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> Those do get ported. I didn't mean to be confusing. "buildbot", the >> Python based build tool, is unlikely to ever be ported. Not that it's >> a very good tool, but it remains additionally unlikely to be ported >> due to the extra burden of having to provide system admin provided >> systemd integration. > > https://github.com/buildbot/buildbot/blob/master/master/contrib/systemd/buildbot.service > > This commit landed in January, 2014, and sits alongside an example > sysvinit script. Fedora's packages include neither, not even as > exmples -- there's no provided init integration at all. Interesting, and thank you for the pointer. It was not in the tag that I last worked with. > Incidently, I wouldn't consider buildbot an example of a "decades-old" > daemon for which systemd adds nothing; indeed it's one of the most > finiky and brittle tools I've ever used, and systemd's isolation, > logging, and cleanup features are greatly beneficial when trying to > figure out why buildbot has crapped out yet again. Oh, dear lord, I agree it's horrible and does nothing that Jenkins or even Hudson didn't master a decade ago. I'm having some difficulty finding decades old standards that haven't either died, or have finally gained systemd support. Much of the systemd support remains outside the primary source repository for many daemons, including httpd and OpenSSH and Subverison that I mentioned. Buildbot... has surprised me by having enough suckers stuck using it to ever have gotten systemd tools written for it. One of the benefit of a sysvinit script that I've not personally made clear is that it's easier to start it *from the console*, and activate gdb or a graphical debugger around it the running binary. I've never seen anyone get that working for systemd, and activating the daemons in systemd typically requires administrative privileges. It's often easier to activate a daemon with a raw init script, as a local user, without adding the potentially fragile intricacies of running it as a systemd daemon. If it fails once, you get one core file suitable for debugging, and the daemon stays *dead* until manually restarted. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
