On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> Am 02.12.2015 um 21:31 schrieb Andrew Lutomirski:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 12:21 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 02.12.2015 um 21:16 schrieb Andrew Lutomirski:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a matter of preference. If I have a newer kernel version
>>>>> installed that doesn't actually work, I want the older kernel I _just_
>>>>> installed to be the default and top entry so my machine boots to
>>>>> something I can use. This happens often when people try rawhide -rcX
>>>>> kernels to test something.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fixing this might be better served by filing an RFE for grubby to
>>>>> change the preference order.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or file an RFE for grub2 to have an option to use the file timestamps
>>>> instead of the version for the sort order
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> breaking news: file timestamps of packages are independent of the install
>>> time so this can't work - any attributes like timestamp, owner, permision
>>> are part of the package for good reasons (rkhunter as example compares
>>> them
>>> with the rpm database)
>>
>>
>> Can you please try to reduce your level of sarcasm on the list?
>
>
> i try, but sometimes it's obviously needed
>
>> It's especially irritating when you're simultaneously sarcastic and
>> factually incorrect:
>
>
> no, i am 100% correct in that context or why does my kernel have a timestamp
> from yesterday but was updated today?
>
> [root@rawhide ~]# cat /var/log/dnf.rpm.log | grep kernel | grep
> 4.4.0-0.rc3.git1.1
> Dec 02 19:55:47 INFO Installed: kernel-core-4.4.0-0.rc3.git1.1.fc24.x86_64
> Dec 02 19:55:47 INFO Installed: kernel-core-4.4.0-0.rc3.git1.1.fc24.x86_64
>
> [root@rawhide ~]# ls -lha /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-0.rc3.git1.1.fc24.x86_64
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6.4M 2015-12-01 17:34
> /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-0.rc3.git1.1.fc24.x86_64
You're not 100% correct. Try ls -lhca. Note the 'c' in there. And
maybe try at least searching the manpage for the most obvious keywork
('ctime' in this case) before digging in your heels. (Or even try the
exact commands I put in my email, which would have lead to much the
same conclusion.)
The fact that you assert your absolute correctness on a frequent basis
even when you're not correct makes me, and probably other people,
likely to discount everything you say even in the cases when you are
correct. If you want your opinion to be helpful, please reconsider
how you write your emails.
Anyway, I filed an RFE: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1287854
--Andy
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