On Sun, 2014-09-07 at 18:49 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 06:54:03PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > > We need to decide if just because you manage to get an important core > > > package into Fedora 4 years ago, that means you can forever more push > > > any old stuff you want into Fedora, without going back and consulting > > > with the community and FESCo. > > > > > > > I am puzzled. Upstream doesn't need to consult FESCo for developing new > > features. However it does need to consult FESCo for Fedora integration and > > it seems that systemd has. Can you point out any counter examples? > > There's been a lot of change between systemd-26 (Fedora 15 GA) and > system-216 in Rawhide. I'm just looking at the Fedora packages here, > not the upstream features, because as you say, upstream can develop > whatever they want and good luck to them. > > Anyway, systemd now does the following which it didn't do in F15: > > - has its own network configuration system ...which we don't use. > - has a way to control firmware boot settings > - intercepts coredumps not on Fedora, abrt does that. > - has the journal was *extensively* discussed and argued about when it landed and whenever changes were made to its behaviour (see list archives). > - has tools for setting the system time and timezone, and locale Sure. They're useful. > - has a firstboot mechanism Where? In any case, Fedora doesn't use it. > - detects virtualization (long story here, but a very bad idea to > encourage programs to do this) I don't believe any Fedora units use this ability. It's there for people who want to use it. > - has the sysusers password mechanism > - has a tool for maintaining kernels in /boot > - has a login manager Was explicitly reviewed as a feature. > - has a DBus inspection mechanism (useful, but does it need to be > in the init system?) Is it? systemd is a collection of utilities and interfaces and so on which are developed in the same source repository. Rather like util-linux contains a whole bunch of those discrete unix-y tools people are always banging on about. There's a large difference between being part of the systemd pid 1 process and being part of the systemd package. (I don't know whether this is, or not, because I don't know exactly what it is you're talking about). > - has a 'top'-like program for control groups Seems a perfectly appropriate thing for the tool that's managing system processes. If not systemd where should such a thing live? > - has a program for comparing /etc configurations > - has its own version of the FHS and a tool for managing it Erm. What? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
