On Sun, Sep 07, 2014 at 10:18:45PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2014-09-07 at 18:49 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 06, 2014 at 06:54:03PM -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > > > > > We need to decide if just because you manage to get an important core > > > > package into Fedora 4 years ago, that means you can forever more push > > > > any old stuff you want into Fedora, without going back and consulting > > > > with the community and FESCo. > > > > > > > > > > I am puzzled. Upstream doesn't need to consult FESCo for developing new > > > features. However it does need to consult FESCo for Fedora integration and > > > it seems that systemd has. Can you point out any counter examples? > > > > There's been a lot of change between systemd-26 (Fedora 15 GA) and > > system-216 in Rawhide. I'm just looking at the Fedora packages here, > > not the upstream features, because as you say, upstream can develop > > whatever they want and good luck to them. > > > > Anyway, systemd now does the following which it didn't do in F15: > > > > - has its own network configuration system > > ...which we don't use. So why is the tool there? > > - has a way to control firmware boot settings > > - intercepts coredumps > > not on Fedora, abrt does that. It does on my F22 machine: $ cat /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern |/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-coredump %p %u %g %s %t %e I haven't done anything in particular that enables this, but it's possibly because abrt is not installed on this headless system. > > - has the journal > > was *extensively* discussed and argued about when it landed and whenever > changes were made to its behaviour (see list archives). > > > - has tools for setting the system time and timezone, and locale > > Sure. They're useful. They also don't work unless a daemon is running, meaning you can't run them in a chrooted filesystem. > > - has a firstboot mechanism > > Where? In any case, Fedora doesn't use it. systemd-firstboot(1) on F22. > > - detects virtualization (long story here, but a very bad idea to > > encourage programs to do this) > > I don't believe any Fedora units use this ability. It's there for people > who want to use it. At least open-vm-tools uses it (it shouldn't). > > - has a program for comparing /etc configurations > > - has its own version of the FHS and a tool for managing it > > Erm. What? systemd-delta(1) file-hierarchy(7) both in F22. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-p2v converts physical machines to virtual machines. Boot with a live CD or over the network (PXE) and turn machines into KVM guests. http://libguestfs.org/virt-v2v -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
