I think FESCO underestimates the problem in that case. FESCO should ask that these packages are separate (exist as different components) and communicate with the rest of the system / systemd through fully specified interfaces. Linux improves because of a brutal Darwinian selection process where any part of the system can get replaced by something different or better. Users -- especially in a leading edge developer distro like Fedora -- to a large extent compose these pieces themselves, ensuring the Darwinian bit works. By integrating very unrelated pieces into a core package that is required by every Fedora install, we could be preventing that process from working, risking Fedora or even Linux. Rich. -- Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat http://people.redhat.com/~rjones Read my programming and virtualization blog: http://rwmj.wordpress.com virt-builder quickly builds VMs from scratch http://libguestfs.org/virt-builder.1.html -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct