On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 15:09 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: > Instead, > we have people so opposed to a little sanity and so scared of 6 months > wait - like anything really matters in that small a timeframe in the > *real* world Wow, and everyone gets categorical again. You can disagree with people, but this is a bit different. Yes, amazingly, things do matter on a six month timeframe in the 'real world' (whatever that is). Example - I got a laptop. The graphics on it don't work, except for vesa, which is very slow (can't play video, and yes, that matters to me) and doesn't run at native resolution (yes, that matters to me). If Ben doesn't land a fix for this in Fedora 13's kernel I have to either wait six months to be able to use my laptop, upgrade it to F14 (which kind of obviates the point of having a stable release), or run the proprietary driver. None of these feel like great options. Just saying, yes, sometimes, it really is reasonable to not want to wait six months for something to get fixed, and please try to at least vaguely consider the possibility that your theoretical principles may not always apply perfectly. Maybe we don't want Fedora to be Rawhide, but maybe we also don't want it to be a distro where nothing ever gets updated either... -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel