On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 12:59:57PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 15:40 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > This *is* happening, and we need to tread carefully, because once you loose > > respect and reputation, it is very, very hard to get back. > > I really think you're extrapolating too far from some very limited data > here. You have some statistics which indicate that Fedora usage is > declining. You are extrapolating from this to the conclusion that this > is happening because Fedora changes too rapidly. I don't think your data > support your conclusion; I haven't seen you cite any data in support of > your assumption as to the *reason* Fedora usage is declining. I don't think anyone can generalize that the usage of Fedora is declining. What we can prove, and certainly is troublesome, is that yum check-ins of successive releases have been dropping by a couple percent each release (although downloads are actually up), compared on a per-week basis. It's no less likely that this decrease is due to people just staying on a stable release, even past EOL. I've heard anecdotal evidence to support that, which is no more or less valuable than any other anecdotal evidence being presented, I suppose (IOW, probably not worth a thing). If someone can present a hard analysis that points to only one possible scenario, fantastic -- we can start looking at causes. None of the foregoing paragraph is meant to write off concern about watching out for our users. We can innovate, and we can do it with proper care for a wide group of people, including people like Matt who are experienced sysadmins not opposed to change "a priori" (lifting your words, Matt). But we can't innovate at all without trying new things at some point. That point ought to be based on something solid like the acceptance criteria Bill's already writing up. Then FESCo can have more confidence in making a decision about it. I'd rather concentrate on that constructive effort than epidemiologically questionable generalizations. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
