On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > "Thomas Janssen" <thomasj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>>> Jesse Keating wrote: >>>>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different >>>>> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are >>>>> left are going to say they like the deluge of updates. >>>> >>>> You say that as if it were a negative thing. >>> >>> To me it is. It's you and people like you that want to shove a ton of >>> updates down the throats of our stable release users (including changes >>> that alter behavior and sonames etc...) that have ruined the Fedora I >>> helped to build. I want my Fedora back, I don't want what you're creating. >> >>Interesting here is that one can say "Leave the project if you don't >>like what we do" (already done in the direction of Kevin Kofler) but >>the offer doesn't count for everybody. >>Not saying you should leave, for sure not. I think you're valuable for >>the project. The same counts by the way as well for Kevin and everyone >>else not sharing your opinion. >> >>>> It's actually very positive, it >>>> means we have found our niche and set some very specific expectations in our >>>> user base! We should stick to that and not suddenly turn around half-turn. >>> >>> We've found our niche, but chasing away our previous niche (and having >>> less users show up in our tracking mechanism for it) >> >>What previous niche? > > We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. > We had new technology thanks to rawhide. We had timely bugfixes that didn't sacrifice stability, > as in things didn't change out from under you on a stable release. We had an ecosystem of third parties > that would build up stacks of newer things should a user be adventurous. We had a fresh release quite > often that could be relied upon for at least a year. We had a culture of not just throwing crap over the wall at our users, which included ourselves. We had accountability when things did go awry and a honest > effort to disrupt the users of our stable releases as little as possible. We also we're a very free distro avoiding nonfree stuff, and we worked well with > upstreams. We we're easy to configure, easy to update, easy to install whether a single system or 400 systems in a lab. We we're easy to administrate in the same scenarios. > > This was fairly unique and what drew a lot of people to the project. Is this still unique? -- Fedora 13 (www.pembo13.com) -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
