On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 09:55, Jon Masters <jonathan@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> This should probably say "systemd for F16" > > +1 FWIW. I'm not a huge sysv fanboi either, but I do care about the > experience of sysadmins and the upstream for other projects, and I would > like to see some soak time for this before everyone needs to switch. If previous experience shows us anything this will probably work this way: - F14 will ship will systemd, there will be lots of problems with it and everyone will be annoyed - F15 will be slightly better, but people still having problems with it are still annoyed - F16 has most of it working again as in F13, but the stuff it does better than SysV will be a lot better - then TheOther distribution will start to use it and so everyone who jumped ship at F14 will have to use it too - ten years later the cycle starts again By now I know that it is silly fighting it, there is no way to stop it. Because I am used to the Red Hat before Fedora I would prefer a slower pace and the possibility to use the same Linux skills on all distributions. I also would like more technologies compete for the SysV spot, but if competition is going to happen it has to come from somewhere else outside of Fedora. And if we are not happy with the changes, the only way to vote is with our feet. For me systemd is not a good reason though, there have been worse changes and I am still here. Christof -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel