On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 09:22 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > Leadership means making careful, well-conceived decisions. Otherwise, it's > not leading, it's charging around blindly shouting "follow me!". I'll leave the rest of the thread to Matthew and Mike McGrath, since they seem to share my position on almost all of this, but I would like to specifically call out the above as exactly the right point. It's not about whether something new is great and useful - or even about systemd in particular - it's about trying to have a cohesive, usable distribution, making progress without being annoying. Jon. P.S. Also, about the use of "Change". Change is good, but not all change is good, and change for the sake of change isn't always good either. Just like in politics, we can use the word "Change" to reflect a liberal agenda (which I personally agree very strongly with), and cast those who have rigid and unmovable dogma as being the other dirty C word. But even those of us who think "Change" is good aren't running through the streets trying to change every possible thing just because we can. And with the responsibility to effect change comes the responsibility to have a good plan to do so, that others believe in and can work with without totally unheaving everything they are doing already. So sometimes "Change" needs a bit longer to happen right. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel